2 but haven't seen them doing it recently. x. Involuntary protectorates (those forced on by war, or those forced on uplifted species) will not give you +1 influence. So this left us with regular vassal w/tax contract, tributary, subsidiary (in case of you being megacorp) and Prospectorium. 2k. r/Stellaris. They are probably more useful in one of the next patches due to tributary states and maybe some other changes (which is currently missing compared to EU4). Vassals can lead to scenario where your ships have to go through friend space to reach your other owned sectors. And the vassal's artisans get the same deal (-3 CG for the vassal, but +4 CG for you), so you also get more benefit out of their artisans as well (4+. 25 influence. Tributaries are much better imo. Glad I had to work today. I hope this is fixed because the potential for these systems is great!The vassal can immediately surrender, but the vassal suffers more ethics pressure from you (and ethics should influence how long it takes to integrate a vassal). This will open the vassal contract menu. g. All Discussions. 2. 0] This mod aims to improve the Domination tradition so that it is an appealing option at any stage of the game and also adds several new vassal and tributary types that are more evocative and useful to an overlord. I guess good vassals would need a proper diplomacy system and a competent AI, both of which Stellaris is unfortunately woefully lacking in. Vassal & Tributary management / overlord's orders / united voting. Best. So whenever declaring war against tributaries, make sure you win as soon as possible, while their ticking warscore is still manageable. Once you've filled out your specialist roles, this is where most of your vassals end up. If you're not domineeringly powerful, vassal is a good choice to set them to follow your ships and act as extra power in most fights. The enemies you fight at that point where you would actually think of using AI help would obliterate AI ships so it's best to have them fund you. I am playing a tall game as an extreme pacifist empire. It means, in the unlikely event that an inwards perfection empire ends up in the situation where it could get a vassal, it gets a tributary instead. You can right-click and explore any wormhole your science ship can reach, regardless of its territory. Now your tributary gives you energy and minerals, add part of their naval cap to the federation fleet, and they're pulled into any wars you're involved in, because they count as federation members. 1 Answer. Open up the “Empires” tab, select the Empire you want to Vassalize, and click on the “Communicate” button. Vassals that have already been specialized do not automatically demote even if their tech falls way behind. Two ways to get a vassal. Ablative vassal armor. • 7 mo. Why can't I subjugate them as a protectorate/vassal? Related Topics Stellaris Real-time strategy Strategy video game Gaming comments sorted by Best Top New Controversial Q&A Add a Comment More posts you may like. This mod aims to improve the Domination tradition so that it is an appealing option at any stage of the game and also adds several new vassal and tributary types that are more evocative and useful to an overlord. 828. 5 I was wondering what peoples feelings are about vassals and tributaries and when it's better to use each. A vassal also run the risk of a full diplomatic integration by their Overlord. Both work a bit differently. 138 Badges. Content is available under Attribution-ShareAlike 3. I don't really use the espionage system to know enough though. QA. I'd only use liberation if you plan as retaining them as a vassal, although do note that empires will. -100 for vassaling and -100 for something like war at itself. Vassal taxation levels are too high. then its like -100 warscore to win the war, and -100 for vassel/tribute demand, and w/e else relative power modifiers there are. Thread starter Zoroastra; Start date Feb 24, 2022; Jump to latest Follow Reply Menu We have updated our Community Code of Conduct. MEbigBoss. And for the stronger empire, you could benefit from having weak allies, but still stronger-than-vassal allies to aid you. With the rework that means you can specialize your vassalsFor Stellaris 2. Since you can do contract negotiations, there shouldn't be any difference right because you can just set all the categories to the same setting right? Subscribe to downloadVassals and Tributaries - Exalted Domination [2. I mean, annexing a vassal is fantastic for the overlord: they get a relationship slot back, they get direct control of troops, and all it costs them is low-value diplomacy points and a temporary penalty to the stat that allows them to diplo-vassalize and diplo-annex. I am looking for something that lets a nation be your subject and grant you their dev for GC, but simultaneously have the freedom to have alliances. 3 came out I find it to be rather difficult to get either of those options. vassal vs tributary. Midpoint between autonomous vassal and tributary. Please read through the new rules for the forum that are an integral part of Paradox Interactive’s User Agreement. Midpoint between autonomous vassal and tributary. 6 comments. Once the request appears invite them to make a federation, after it's creation go to the vassal request and accept it. They do lose the difficuilty bonus, yes. Irbynx. With the new changes and traditions in 1. Plus, you won’t be spending the next 50 odd years fixing 3 happiness issues and 4 worlds about to fall to crime. Find out how to make the best choice for your gameplay and roleplaying style based on tribute, expansion, and warfare. You do this by growing your influence in these vassal kingdoms. Going by the Blorg stream, vassals work pretty much the same as they do in EU4. Else turn them into a tributary if you can't afford to vassalize. It's sorta like the political version of slaves. You probably just grabbed a vassal with massively dissenting ethos and a government that doesn't like having an overlord. Presets have a list of default terms, and can have. It does not get refunded, because the Vassal needs to use THEIR influence to be able to refuse the offer. Since you can stack anchorage star bases for increased naval cap, and because upkeep costs so much more now, the extra fleet cap from vassals is negligible compared to the extra resources from. Tributaries are mostly free, they can expand and do diplomacy but need to pay you a quarter of their income. Hegemons can also continue to expand their empires and make claims and declare. Warhawg01. It depends on what you want from them. 2x as much food to feed pops, 2x as many minerals to supply metallurgists/artisans, 2x as much energy to support buildings and fleets. It's quite useless imo though. as a trading partner or a buffer zone. Protectorates are tricky because usually the technology gap doesn't exist to create them but I've had luck doing it with newly self-enlightened races. This button may be. Create a vassal using the sectors menu (as big or small as you want), the vassal will inherent all your techs and ethics. There should be a “Create Vassal” button in the bottom left corner. The negative side of vassal playstyle is broken AI. Vassal play is primarily aimed at Tall, and while it "needed" it, it doesn't make it any less limited in scope. ago. Tributaries serve two: extra mineral and energy income and meat shield. ehh I lost the megacorp. Stellaris? Dumb as rocks. Anyone know if/how I can make a mod that will make it so that these AI bonuses still take effect on vassals? It makes little sense that they suddenly become weak cos i made them a vassal Come the late game especially, you'll get far more efficiency out of a resource vassal if you incorporate them and then release them as a vassal than if you skip straight to tributary. Content is available under Attribution-ShareAlike 3. Stellaris Wiki Active Wikis. Peel away federation members into your vassals, if you can beat them the first time. On a side note, IIRC the devs had originally planned to make three different crisis types. Like Vassal 1 focuses all its invention on making a laser which can heat. 2. They're a tributary. On the lowest difficulties it might work, but if you've increased the difficulty even a single step then it won't. I have 1 specialist vassal that changed from tributary (or subsidiary)but the option to do this it's too random to appear (cannot choose vassal types) even when asking to other empires to become vassals(i am stronger enough)Imperial Spiritualist authoritarian, feudal and cult perks. Vassal is mostly for. Vassals are even worse on higher difficulties, since no matter. A tributary of basic resources would be just as redundant. Atunomous vassal gives you freedom to wage your own wars, but not to make. A Liberation war should remove its target from their Federation, as well as changing their ethics, if successful. If your combined military is greater than the overlord, they should start a war for independence, and pull you into it. CalebS92. Your protectorate gets a bonus to researching your techs which may catch them up enough at some point. Reply . Basically vassalization is a stopgap to integration most of the time, unless you're playing with the feudalism Civic. My vassal Megacorp wasn't even opening branch offices. My question is why did they change without any warning or any sort of reasoning given, except the notification that they'd been changed. Stellaris is getting so many supra-national forms of governance, I'm getting a little confused. 98 vs 1. ago. Once within a 60% tech difference you should be able to change their type. All Discussions Screenshots Artwork Broadcasts Videos Workshop News Guides Reviews. I go to "negotiate" and they have a big debuff to accepting being a Tributary again. If you're going aggressive. A subject is an empire that has a special diplomatic relationship with another empire, called the overlord. Anyone know if/how I can make a mod that will make it so that these AI bonuses still take effect on vassals? It makes little sense that they suddenly become weak cos i made them a vassalCome the late game especially, you'll get far more efficiency out of a resource vassal if you incorporate them and then release them as a vassal than if you skip straight to tributary. Find sources: "Vassal state" – news · newspapers · books · scholar · JSTOR (November. I have a big fleet. A protectorate will follow you into war. if you want their territory you vassalize, if you want their energy credits and very much dont want to annex them you go tributary. -must be neighbor. ”. If it looks like you may be able to get an early tributary (Inferior fleet cap) , quickly build up your fleet, spam anchorages, and before the power rating can go to equivalent ask them to become a tributary, and then attack. 4 Cepheus update. If you drop a 600 influence cost vassalage negotiation on current vassal that has only 400 influence in their stockpile, they won't be able to refuse. No no it was the other way round. g. Not once was I able to make another empire a vassal or tributary through diplomacy. Stellaris 50473 Bug Reports 30888 Suggestions 19151 Tech Support 2898 Multiplayer 377 User Mods 4631 Stellaris AAR (After Action Reports) Console edition 1216. 75*3=6. Rord64 Mar 18, 2018 @ 6:06am. I am pretty sure we had a commercial pact. 4. Stellaris 's Overlord expansion is out now, jamming the vast scifi grand strategy game even fuller with megastructures, story events and - as is Paradox's wont - more vassals. You have to liberate first, or demand they become your vassal (the domination tree is good for this) as a war goal. Cult for easy edicts and feudal for the vassals. You can chose between making them a Tributary or a Vassal (subsidiary if you are megacorp). Vassals serve one purpose: meat shield. Tributary vs Vassals Stellaris Debate vassals can be integrated into your empire so you can eat them without claims or war. I know that in Stellaris you won't have the incentive of mana. What Is A Tributary Stellaris? In the game Stellaris, a tributary is a vassal state that retains a significant degree of autonomy in its internal and political affairs. To do this method, whoever you’re trying to make your Vassal must be at peace. PS4 •. Wars are how mid-game and end-game borders are usually drawn. Both can net you additional territory if integrated but otherwise it's just what I listed above. Good news is theres no penalties to being a vassal. You can't integrate them, you can't prohibit their expansion, you can't limit their diplomatic options, you can't build any holdings and you can't give them subsidiaries as their overlord. When an AI empire is about to declare war it will first. But my main desire is the ability to just tweak the mechanics of the existing vassal types, like having a tributary pay me in alloys, or a vassal which can expand without needing me to have a civic. Overlord will allow you to assign a Vassal Specialization to your subjects. After that, you. Stellaris. Vassal Contracts are a massive new feature of the Stellaris 3. I'd only use liberation if you plan as retaining them as a vassal, although do note that empires will. Navigate to the Propose Subjugation option. I hope this is fixed because the potential for these systems is great!Move all organics to their own planet, you can create a vassal when you're at peace. ago. They are probably more useful in one of the next patches due to tributary states and maybe some other changes (which is currently missing compared to EU4). ago. So this left us with regular vassal w/tax contract, tributary, subsidiary (in case of you being megacorp) and Prospectorium. However, having a Hegemony does work better for you for the federation benefits. 25 Badges. As a hegemony leader you can just kick them out when you want, let your other tributaries swarm them, so you can annex or vassalize them. Vassal specialist types are suddenly not showing in either the propose subjugation or agreement negotiations menu. In CK3, you can modify contracts whenever the hell you want, so long as you have the money/blackmail/whatever to do so. Less than the 10% it looks like, and requires you to spend the influence to get them up to 75% in the first place, and you can't just get consumer goods without spending effort and influence to tax a second. its entirely onesided and hurts overlord more. Empires of all ethics have the option to leave a subject as vanilla vassal or tributary. However, even after becoming a tributary and having diplomatic freedom, I can't declare war on my overlord as declaring a war againts them need the approval of their. Suppress those silly Xeno's but only for when playing tall. 7. Age of Wonders 4 Empire of Sin Cities: Skylines 2 Crusader Kings 3 Europa Universalis 4 Hearts of Iron 4 Hunter: The Reckoning Imperator: Rome Prison Architect Stellaris Surviving Mars Surviving the Aftermath Vampire: The Masquerade Victoria 3. Subjects have their own budget, construction sector, interest groups, laws, and institutions but are limited when conducting external diplomacy. 36 comments. The new vassal system lets you specialise subject empires, which then develop handy traits as they level up within the greater empire they're a part of, making that 30% research tax an easy pill. They are all extremely strong perks with them. A Workshop Item for Stellaris. Once it's explored, the two systems with an endpoint for the wormhole become adjacent from your fleet's perspective, so just. The second vassal everyone will want is the Scholarium, who provides a significant bonus to research potential and valuable science tribute. This pairs quite. Since they were the ones that started the request they can't decline. picture comment rule 5: looking for advices/discussion about comparing advantages of vassal and tributary, shows current economy output and benefits from subject taxes (top left corner), I'm thinking what is better. 2 comments. vassals under feudal empire would only have a modifier that weighs in its own strength as well as its vassal allies. Unregulated means no change, controlled gives your vassal pops a push towards your ethics (like that one galactic community proposal) but your vassal dislikes it, puppet gives a stronger push and allows the overlord to buy the "embrace faction" option for the vassal. 3] This mod aims to improve the Domination tradition so that it is an appealing option at any stage of the game and also adds several new vassal and tributary types that are more evocative and useful to an overlord. • 21 days ago. I have been really trying to perform a tall playthrough where I do not expand myself and instead use a collection of large vassals to do it but it…By 'vassal-intending', I mean you intend to make- and really release- vassals. Ps, the best way to increase loyalty is just to improve relations with envoys. It's a lot better than previous vassals where the only two choices you had was "vassal to be integrated later" and "tributary because I can't be arsed to. ago. The only way to instruct a science vessel to explore an unstabilised wormhole is via the right click menu. The vassal doesn’t add to your sprawl, keeps their remaining civilian and military ships, and if you play it right continues to develop and donate even more to your empire. If you don't have the influence to fully claim a large empire, then vassalize -> Integrate will let you absorb them afters some time. Granted I play with mods like Stellaris Evolved and Gigastructures so there's tech at play that is extremely advanced and game changing. If I can make tributaries -> vassals and then diploannex them at a later date, I'm peachy. Good news is you can choose to do it when ur overlord has just finished a massive war and lost or try and invite some allies into the war. Protectorate an uplifted pre-FTL species for an increase in monthly influence and a potentially powerful ally at the end of it all, or Vassalise an empire for some. Waging war to make tributary/vassal is impossible. 0 unless otherwise noted. ; About Stellaris Wiki; Mobile view Therefore, managing vassals is crucial to the success of your empire in Stellaris. Even before 3. There should be a tab that says something like:"Demand tribute" or "Demand subjugation". Nothing much to say here, if you can't put a subject into one of the above, this is where they belong. A vassal nation in Stellaris is not the same thing as a vassal in medieval Europe. Method 2: Demanding Vassalization. Tributaries at least give you some basics. Funny is the contracts allowed it you could give a empire 100 percent of everything but if you ask just for 15 percent of anything they say how dare you make such a. 944. When subjugating an empire I only have 'tributary' as an option. 4. As Tributary you get a small part of their resources. Making them exponentially stronger. I almost dropped $20 on day one. This sucks because I want to name them Duchy of X type names and instead I'll have some dumb Union of X or something like that which does not fit the naming scheme. ago. Federation is superior to vassal empire. Have your vassals all follow your doomstack. • 1 yr. SnooStories8859. The mod locks each vassal type to a specific ethic, but the Feudal civic lets you use all of them. For a regular empire, it can happen the other way too -- you start with a Tributary, then it auto-switches to a Protectorate, and then later it auto-switches to a Vassal -- losing your Tributary resource contract entirely, you have to spend Influence to re-negotiate, and whatever you negotiate is thrown away if it swaps into Protectorate again. Bonus detail, if they are just 2 members left, then vassalizing one will dissolve the. Prospectorium advantage is that they will get bonus on basic, advance and strategic rerources, has chance to find deposit in space and will never be downgrade to protectorate but get nerf on science production. While the subordinate party is called a vassal, vassal state or tributary state, the dominant party is called a suzerain. Would it be better to play as a megacorp and turn everyone into subsidiarys, or play as a regular militant empire, and turn everyone into…Vassal Specializations. Azunai Nov 27, 2017 @ 6:40am. If this isn't the case then something is missing. There's no option for using favors to sway your way, no ultimatums (e. as a trading partner or a buffer zone. 5% increase in trade output back to you. So Materialist feudal playthroughs can be crazy good. So I've been enjoying becoming a vassal of an AI empire for a while, my overlord is a member of a federation with me being incorporated into it. A secret fealty vassal I just got started as a bulwark after being fully vassalized, but I'd rather have a regular vassal instead. Unregulated means no change, controlled gives your vassal pops a push towards your ethics (like that one galactic community proposal) but your vassal dislikes it, puppet gives a stronger push and allows the overlord to buy the "embrace faction" option for the vassal. You want an FE vassal? Destroy their fleets, annhiliate their armies, scorch their worlds, conquer them, release sector and lean them some fleets from the Head of Zarqlan for consistency. Creating a Vassal Out of A Sector. ago. 37 votes, 46 comments. So unless you play on ensign difficulty the answer is yes. This is an awkward. Gift them minerals, energy and if required, food. i have all the dlc and have tried restarting my game but idk what the. Description. as a trading partner or a buffer zone. You will want at least one of every specialized vassal for the unique benefits and overlord holding. I think it's common knowledge by now that AI vassal on higher difficulties is basically useless other than neutering a potential rival and prepping…Puppet is a modern term, and usually is just a state with teh same goverment as yours, and that is completly complient to you vassal is a medieval term and usually allows alot of autonomy, depending on the type of vassal it may be, some consider a tributary as a vassal, and some other consider the King of England (also the duke of. Copyright © 2016 Paradox Interactive AB. All Discussions Screenshots Artwork Broadcasts Videos Workshop News Guides Reviews. as a trading partner or a buffer zone. ago. It is possible for the overlord to transform tributary status into a protectorate or vassal, but only if the overlord is big and influential enough. But my main desire is the ability to just tweak the mechanics of the existing vassal types, like having a tributary pay me in alloys, or a vassal which can expand without needing me to have a civic. Stellaris Wiki Active Wikis. Lets find out. Looking at it, yeah the emperor should definitely be dethroned if they're turned into a vassal. First off all the answer is no, you have to declare war to be able to break free. If it’s a tick, you. A place to share content, ask questions and/or talk about the 4X grand strategy game Stellaris by…In vanilla if you can get an early tributary by say year 50 you’ve basically won. That's all. 1; 2. improve the Domination tradition so that it is an appealing option at any stage of the game and also adds several new vassal and tributary types that are more evocative and. All that said, Protectorates are by far the best subject type to stock up on, for that sweet +0. Seemose • 2 yr. Making federations baseline and replacing one or two of the points with something vassalization related could go a long way. When an AI empire is about to declare war it will first. Like Vassal 1 focuses all its invention on making a laser which can heat. Previously in Stellaris, subjugation was rarely a more compelling option than simple conquest, and being subjugated often essentially meant a permanent decline of your empire and a “Game Over” screen in your near future. Subscribe to downloadVassals and Tributaries - Exalted Domination [2. This list was initiated with 2. All subject types now grant a small. ago. 30% science generation, for -50% fleet everything. Now that you're part of a federation there's no way for you to actively ask for independence. bane_howlingmoon Mar 18, 2018 @ 5:42am. Since you can do. But they can reject renegotiations if they hate you and have the influence it is a pain just keep them loyal and they won't make you waste influence. Stellaris Dev Diary #281 - A Message from Minamar Specialized Industries. -100 for vassaling and -100 for something like war at itself. No impetus, no drive to do anything. And that's it. You will be presented with many options as demands, and “Vassalize” is one of the options. The "vassal acceptance" when negotiating contracts is absurd at the. Yeah it's way too easy on lower/scaling difficulties to rush a fleet and mostly peacefully vassalize the entire galaxy before midgame. the fed will break eventually as the other members oppose this. Join. Now you know a bit more about tributary vs vassal in Stellaris, including the pros and cons of each. Part of Angler-Catalytic's strength is in the tributary economy, as when you release a vassal, it will have Angler as well, and that will be useful for off-shoring your food-input economy to an external tax base. 385K subscribers in the Stellaris community. Originally posted by Revan Tair: Protectorate is way much better, than vassals. The prospectorium isn't likely to default, the pops are producing more, and the contract will naturally go to. on a side note I just found inwards perfectionists can create tributary's instead of vassals. 0. Some rulers should have special mandates / agendas in vassal nations "Independence"(Mandate) "Secure Sovereignty"(Agenda) - which gives their empire a loyalty debuff vs the overlord if they get elected. Please note these costs are over and above a base cost of 20 influence points. IMO tributaries are worth it in the early game. Select a planet within a Sector you control and navigate to the “Governor” screen. 4, but the quick trust growth means you can turn them into a protectorate/vassal pretty quickly. #2. Question about vassal criminal syndicate. More bang for your war bucks, let. Tributaries The way tributaries are set up in Stellaris, they can be excellent subjects from an economic point of view. Stellaris Military system needs a rework to make Warfare fun in all stages and with all power discrepancy. The closest I ever get is like -35 or something, even though they are sourrounded by my other vassals, we have a very good standing and my fleet is superior. A forum thread where players discuss the advantages and disadvantages of subjugating neighboring empires as tributaries or vassals in Stellaris, a strategy game. Vassal states were common among the empires of the Near East, dating back to the era of the Egyptian, Hittite and Mitanni conflict, as well as ancient China. Their trust increases overtime and when they become lawful you don’t have to be anxious about it any more. Meaning the more you're winning against your tributary, the more war score your tributary will get against you. What you can do in that case is veto the war and then re-propose it in a way that benefits you. A forum thread where players discuss the advantages and disadvantages of subjugating neighboring empires as tributaries or vassals in Stellaris, a strategy game. I was having a real fun game, to a point where i finally actually made it to the crisis and then i saw this. Between a tributary and vassal, an empire will almost always want the. And most people play on fast speeds rather than normal. 7: 0 to 225 Vassal limited to 45% maximum tax Subsidiary or Tributary cannot receive subsidy;. They are all extremely strong perks with them. If you vassalize them you can turn them into a boost for your science or navy? Depends what you need more of I guess. Thread starter Abdulijubjub; Start date Apr 14, 2023; Jump to latest Follow Reply Menu We have updated our Community. It's a per-month drain, not an. You get 1 influence point for each protectorate you have established. They won’t agree. It can be useful to give land to vassals in war declarations. Monetary tribute is 12. Most importantly, some empires don't want to be a certain kinds of vassal types. So a criminal syndicate is doing its job and has a couple of branches open on my planets. 2. But i want to role play as an empire that rules core worlds while letting vassals rule in their stead but sadly their is no real benefit to vassalizing anyone apart from tributary (which makes feudal society useless). Plus they'll get to your technological level so that you get the scientist relay bonus if make them. A disloyal vassal won't follow your fleets around during wartime. Sometimes, vassals are used to help manage large empires, though often suboptimally. If having another prospectorium gives you more basic resources than you can use, then the entire premise of the thread is misaimed: both a prospectorium and a basic resource tributary would be bad choices. for instance), but for every ratio of "your researcher output vs. I can get the last of my independent neighbors to become my subject. After the war ends, my claims are…Apparently it wasn't like this for streamers playing just before release, so they changed something late and didn't bother to QA it. In terms of game metrics, this will be a monthly 5 influence cost per population and a 50-influence cost per planet. How to make vassals/tributary. See screenshots for new tradition effects. 4 we had those two vastly different types of subjugation: Vassals are diplomatically tied to their overlord, they pay a small tribute and get some benefits. We can negotiate, and renoegotiate the terms of our agreement. Stellaris. 5 influence. You can't change it because they're not a vassal. Join. Well it depends. It makes changes to what they provide to their overlord. Tributary I've noticed the empires LOVE to demand tributary of anyone weaker than them, but I've never seen them demand vassalization. Last I checked, there is no means of "upgrading" a Tributary into a Vassal, so you have to defeat, make tributary, sit around and let them continue doing exactly what they've been doing all along except it makes you a little richer, then attack them again in the hopes that they. 3. Vassal-Conquest:Vassal - the everyman. Vassal vs. Go into the diplomacy tab with the empire you wanna vassalize. 3. You have 2 options for war, vassalize or cede planets. This is my first game of Stellaris, I turned a sector I conquered into a Vassal early on because they were seriously generating sprawl. r/Stellaris • Frustrating Vassal mechanics - Even with maximum loyalty, the most favourable terms possible and overwhelming fleet power compared to them: It's impossible to contract even the smallest payment or to specialise their vassal type. 166. Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources. Once it's explored, the two systems with an endpoint for the wormhole become adjacent from your fleet's perspective, so just. ago. 0 unless otherwise noted. A tributary gives you a portion of income. Voidborne •. With my non-specialist vassals I can choose between vassal, tributary and specialist vassal, but when the vassal starts with a specialization the only option I get is to switch them to another specialization. Wars are how mid-game and end-game borders are usually drawn. Then again I'm running Glavious AI which doesn't seem to improve the AI that much (granted, there are 2 "equivalent" normal empires in 2400 and one of my federation members just quit the. I just technologically enlightened two races, immediately making them vassals. Just turn all your non border and core systems into vassals and take the reduced research and unity costs. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed. Mapsaregreat • 1 yr. If not, make it a tributary (or if you need the extra economy). Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources. Maybe in multiplayer you can make it work, but in singleplayer you're wasting your time. See screenshots for new tradition effects. What I find works best is to determine what vassal it is then determine what role suits them best. I vetoed it, demanded vassilization of same empire to obtain the casus belli, and re-proposed the war as a war to make a vassal out of said empire instead. 10. You can only subjugate by force if the empire is weaker than you since overlord. This is good for the overlord, because 50% of X+Y is better than 50% of X, but also helps the tributary stay solvent because the 50% of Y they get to keep is covering the deficit that might otherwise exist if they were just 50% of X. Tribute is better for more powerful empires. You can easily rename your capital system, and so, you can easily rename your subjects. 3. So open a second war. Now, lets compare it to how far we are with fusion and what there is to know and what problems there are to solve. Vassalisation war goal doesnt even appear. r/Stellaris. Lhite_Blanco • 4 yr. 5. If you want the extra resources from a vassal with none (or very little) of the headache that comes with loyalty management and specialization, and you don't plan on integrating them either, tributaries.